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. >> five-year term elected. political parties many. i counted at least 15. gdp per capita, what do you think it is? >> probably a thousand dollars. >> $1,300. you're still with t. men and women dominantly female about four million. and airports with paved runways. how many? how many airports with paved runways in mali? >> three. >> eight. >> how many do we have with paved runways? do you know how many? >> hard to count them all. >> probably ten. >> the government has been overthrown by the military guy we trained. he grabbed power. >> secretary panetta said that the u.s. is not in a position to train the mali military because it's not a democracy. >> they defected to the al qaeda, all the guys we trained. >> are we doing this because of france or are we doing it because we know al qaeda is there? >> ultimately there's a threat to the u.s. down the road. but france is an ally and, yes, we're doing it because of france. >> primarily because of france? >> pry pearl-- >> -- pry pearl-- >> -- primarily-- >> what did lafayette do for the united states? what did he
. >> five-year term elected. political parties many. i counted at least 15. gdp per capita, what do you think it is? >> probably a thousand dollars. >> $1,300. you're still with t. men and women dominantly female about four million. and airports with paved runways. how many? how many airports with paved runways in mali? >> three. >> eight. >> how many do we have with paved runways? do you know how many? >> hard to count them all. >> probably ten....
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you're running right up to the midterm election frankly. there's a desperate need for the country going forward to do something about tax reforms and entitlements sitting under the umbrella of fixing the economy and creating near jobs and stopping spending. that's going to be tough. we have been giving people things for a long time. now they'll have to reel them in and fine tune them, and that will take an exceptional hand in the white house to pull that off. that's a daunting task. this is like the saturday before super bowl sunday. everybody talks about what will happen. then the kickoff comes, and unexpected events begin to roll out, and that's what he has to adapt to. >> joe scarborough, the economist this week which struck me in a couple of places, the cover, how will history see me with that image. and they write this. in america, they cannot deal with its financial problems other than through repeated crises followed by shabby postponements will eventually go broke, and its capacity to offer leadership to the world is gravely diminis
you're running right up to the midterm election frankly. there's a desperate need for the country going forward to do something about tax reforms and entitlements sitting under the umbrella of fixing the economy and creating near jobs and stopping spending. that's going to be tough. we have been giving people things for a long time. now they'll have to reel them in and fine tune them, and that will take an exceptional hand in the white house to pull that off. that's a daunting task. this is...
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those are the people that elected the new congress. that's why this is the limbaugh congress. >> as of today, i think we can finally put this book where it belongs in history. right there. the american people have put the brakes on the conservative train that has run over a lot of people in this country. president obama has laid down a different track for america. the president's inauguration yesterday served as proof of a real movement in this country. we are a society now of tolerance, fairness, and acceptance. the country is not afraid of progressive values, or to say the word, liberal, because most of the country believes in progressive liberal values. a majority of americans believe gay marriage should be legal. most people don't want any cuts whatsoever to social security. even more people want medicare left alone. only 33% want to protect defense spending. on immigration, the majority believes, well, the path for citizenship for undocumented immigrants. on climate change, we weren't even talking about that 20 years ago. nearly h
those are the people that elected the new congress. that's why this is the limbaugh congress. >> as of today, i think we can finally put this book where it belongs in history. right there. the american people have put the brakes on the conservative train that has run over a lot of people in this country. president obama has laid down a different track for america. the president's inauguration yesterday served as proof of a real movement in this country. we are a society now of tolerance,...
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, it is external because of the people who get elected. >> when our nation separated from church and state. what are your thoughts and using the bible, and the words "so help me god" used? >> not only did george bible, but have a after his inauguration, the congress voted to have a church service. it went across to sit paul's chapel in new york board -- they went across to st. paul's chapel in new york, and had a service. there was no first amendment by the at that time. -- at that time. what has happened now is that congress does not vote in these things. presidents choose what to do. since roosevelt's time, presidents have usually gone to a church service on the morning of the inauguration or just before the inauguration. that is personal to them. they choose whatever bible to hold. just like members of congress can choose a family bible or historical bible. when the first muslim was sworn in, he was provided with thomas jefferson's copy of the koran to be sworn in. people choose something appropriate to them. "so help me god" is another issue. i do not think there is anything wron
, it is external because of the people who get elected. >> when our nation separated from church and state. what are your thoughts and using the bible, and the words "so help me god" used? >> not only did george bible, but have a after his inauguration, the congress voted to have a church service. it went across to sit paul's chapel in new york board -- they went across to st. paul's chapel in new york, and had a service. there was no first amendment by the at that time....
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and i am now hopeful that we can come back to the table after the election, after the various to buckles and try again. i think their is a new spirit of wanting something to happen here in washington. cheryl: but i cannot help but wonder if that spirit will be quashed when they start talking about entitlement reform. we know the republicans want to see something changed. economists in this country, many here in new york city these entitlement programs have to be addressed, and there is no political appetite unfortunately. harry reid about fell off the lectern when he was asked about entitlement cuts. so what happens now? >> i actually think there is an appetite in the country to do something. i think the american people get that the situation for this so much worse than it was. we are in a much deeper hole that we warren, and the economy was growing back then. it helps in this situation. so i think the american people get it. i think it is hard to get there, but here is what is ironic. republicans who were accused of getting these programs were the ones who were putting ford plants in th
and i am now hopeful that we can come back to the table after the election, after the various to buckles and try again. i think their is a new spirit of wanting something to happen here in washington. cheryl: but i cannot help but wonder if that spirit will be quashed when they start talking about entitlement reform. we know the republicans want to see something changed. economists in this country, many here in new york city these entitlement programs have to be addressed, and there is no...
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president obama won less than 42% in the last election. i'm telling you there are a lot of senate democrats who prize the second amendment and if they go against it they are not going to win the election. the president is jeopardizing the u.s. senate because he wants to be a big government liberal. >> heather: even the president acknowledged that getting them through congress will be difficult. he referenced national rifle association, take a look at this fox news poll, in terms of favorability, president obama 51%, nra 56%, a higher favor built than the president. their response they would work with congress on bipartisan basis and fix mental health systems as well. is this about protecting children or banning guns? >> this is absolutely about protecting children, stopping crime, letting us pursue or life and liberty, that is more important than allowing people to stockpile military style weapons. that is not in the constitution. ford, you are right. this is not about republicans. this is about the nra lobbyists. they are desperate that n
president obama won less than 42% in the last election. i'm telling you there are a lot of senate democrats who prize the second amendment and if they go against it they are not going to win the election. the president is jeopardizing the u.s. senate because he wants to be a big government liberal. >> heather: even the president acknowledged that getting them through congress will be difficult. he referenced national rifle association, take a look at this fox news poll, in terms of...
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finally tonight how can the gop start winning national elections again? my pal and our special guest, joe scarborough, the anchor of msnbc "morning joe" is going to join us later. he and i will plot some republican reform. >> first up let's start with boeing. the faa has grounded the boeing 787 dreamliner in the u.s. pending a safeafet check of the plane's lithium batteries. united airlines has already announced it will comply with the order, they have no choice to do so. remember also boeing is a dow component and selling off in the aftermarket and remember this is all related to the recent spate of incidents on board the 787 both here and the united states and in japan. there's been fires in the cockpit on two occasions and fuel leaks as well. our phone phil lebeau will join us with this story. now back to the headline story, president obama called on congress to further restrict assault weapons and limit ammo magazines today. marking the broadest push for gun control in a generation we have cnbc eamon javers who is here to join us with the details. >>
finally tonight how can the gop start winning national elections again? my pal and our special guest, joe scarborough, the anchor of msnbc "morning joe" is going to join us later. he and i will plot some republican reform. >> first up let's start with boeing. the faa has grounded the boeing 787 dreamliner in the u.s. pending a safeafet check of the plane's lithium batteries. united airlines has already announced it will comply with the order, they have no choice to do so....
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the way he won the election is the way he's going to try to move and make some amendments to try and get some gurns out of circulation. but it's just like the mothers against drunk driving type of an issue. for a while people didn't want it, then they thought it was silly and then it became a ground swell of grass roots support. thankly it's smart for this reason. it kind of gives cover for the democrats, also some -- republicans that are looking to come forward the president's -- if the state legislators feel that type of pressure, it will trickle up in this particular instance to the federal level and they will have to make some changes. >> interesting, though, the voices coming out of d.c., talking about impeachment. i just want to play senator rand paul appearing on fox and what he was saying about president obama. take a listen. >> our founding fathers were very concerned about having a separation of powers, they didn't want to let the president become a king. i'm afraid that president obama may have this king complex, sort of developing and we're going to make sure that it does
the way he won the election is the way he's going to try to move and make some amendments to try and get some gurns out of circulation. but it's just like the mothers against drunk driving type of an issue. for a while people didn't want it, then they thought it was silly and then it became a ground swell of grass roots support. thankly it's smart for this reason. it kind of gives cover for the democrats, also some -- republicans that are looking to come forward the president's -- if the state...
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this is the president, elections have consequences. we owe some difference to the commander in chief, the chief executive when he makes these picks. but we have have seen a willing business to fight on chuck hagel. i expect that to continue. potentially on john brennan. is this a preview of what we might expect down the road with the president's supreme court picks? >> what of the talk of harry reid, the majority leader in the senate, possibly getting rid of the filibustir, the sole tool to stop a vote on certain matters? it is not clear what matters would be -- he would be getting rid of the filibuster on? >> this has been in discussion. it could be a very minor change to the filibuster, versus something major. so i think eye am inclined-- the reason that harry reid is so other than ked, it has stopped business in the senate. they want to be able to bring bills up and to have the filibuster be used for things it's meant to be used for and for people to filibuster, not threat tone filibuster and gum up the gears of the senate. >> speak
this is the president, elections have consequences. we owe some difference to the commander in chief, the chief executive when he makes these picks. but we have have seen a willing business to fight on chuck hagel. i expect that to continue. potentially on john brennan. is this a preview of what we might expect down the road with the president's supreme court picks? >> what of the talk of harry reid, the majority leader in the senate, possibly getting rid of the filibustir, the sole tool...
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need to engage more in financial reform and educate themselves better and make it an issue with their elected officials. i wanted to make the book accessible and i had recommendations to help them do that. >> the former head of the federal deposit insurance corporation on the government's role during the crisis. her book is "bull by the horns," sunday night on "q &a." >> [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [video clip] "washington journal"is next. the conversation on reducing gun violence continues. we will ask a gun owners to call in during the first hour and the round table and possible new gun laws. laws.
need to engage more in financial reform and educate themselves better and make it an issue with their elected officials. i wanted to make the book accessible and i had recommendations to help them do that. >> the former head of the federal deposit insurance corporation on the government's role during the crisis. her book is "bull by the horns," sunday night on "q &a." >> [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [video clip] "washington...
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not so is ideologically coherent it was willing to forfeit elections. i think that rusher was passed that phase of his political development or perspective by then. so he recognized that if reagan wasn't going to head it it was probably not going to get far but he stuck with that. the full details are in the book on chapter 13. but she came to see in the late 70's that it really was possible for a guy like reagan to win the republican nomination, and once he did come ever since reagan won the republican nomination 1980 and had a totally successful presidency, rusher remained to the end of his day an absolute republican party loyalist. right or wrong that is another interesting lesson a man who at one time had been a third party advocate comes back to a more conventional political view although he was also a strong conservative. in closing i just want to say two words about his significance as a symbol among conservatives. he was a very elegant man to the if he wasn't particularly tall, he wasn't athletic, things buckley was, but he was wonderfully artic
not so is ideologically coherent it was willing to forfeit elections. i think that rusher was passed that phase of his political development or perspective by then. so he recognized that if reagan wasn't going to head it it was probably not going to get far but he stuck with that. the full details are in the book on chapter 13. but she came to see in the late 70's that it really was possible for a guy like reagan to win the republican nomination, and once he did come ever since reagan won the...
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push the door, growing out of the 2000 election, the voters election, the commission has never been the same since that time. so reagan in the sense succeeded in making in the body that could not listen to ordinary people or that would not listen to ordinary people. not independent. they kept trying. the commissioners felt like they should just endorse whatever the administration felt. if you're going to do that, people appointed political appointees all over government his job is to do that. your job is to monitor them. right now all those other suppression activity that took place all across the country in the whole big debate about it, the civil rights commission should have been at the center of that debate based on its history, its experience with floating and voting rights suppression and making recommendations. it was nowhere to be seen. and so what it has done is subverted the mission that was supposed to have. what it needs to have happen is be converted by the congress into another kind of body of something. they ought to get rid of it. that's my opinion. >> what is the cu
push the door, growing out of the 2000 election, the voters election, the commission has never been the same since that time. so reagan in the sense succeeded in making in the body that could not listen to ordinary people or that would not listen to ordinary people. not independent. they kept trying. the commissioners felt like they should just endorse whatever the administration felt. if you're going to do that, people appointed political appointees all over government his job is to do that....
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we need to put aside the elections, heal the wounds of the election. so, in the election, jefferson says we are all federalists, we are all republicans, basically, we are all americans, coming together and we are going to work together. this is the hope that every president has is -- in his inaugural address, and that is one of the main reasons for having this great ceremony each time, to put a cap on the end of the election and to ring the nation back together again for the next president term. -- president's term. now, you have the government in washington, and they have established precedent. by the time james madison is inaugurated, the house chamber is completed. i do not know if you have been to statutory ball, james madison was inaugurated there, both terms as president. james monroe would have been inaugurated in the old statuary hall, the old house of representatives at the time, except that the british had burnt the building down in 1814. we were at war with great britain, and british troops came down maryland avenue, burned down the capital,
we need to put aside the elections, heal the wounds of the election. so, in the election, jefferson says we are all federalists, we are all republicans, basically, we are all americans, coming together and we are going to work together. this is the hope that every president has is -- in his inaugural address, and that is one of the main reasons for having this great ceremony each time, to put a cap on the end of the election and to ring the nation back together again for the next president...
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why was it a $6 billion election? we've got to take on the democracy issues. >> so if tee or four of the 51 docrats who could win for you next tuesday desert you, betray you, abandon you, what will you do? >> well, we only need 51, so four can go, actually, five can go because vice president biden has said he supports these things. we'll see. so you if you had 50 plus him, there you have the new rules for the next congress. >> but if you lose next tuesday you have as you've already said based upon the past almost no chance of anything happening in congress. >> and we need to reset, we will know who's who even though they won't publicize that, but we will know who's who. and we need to look at primaries. we needo look at saying, "guess what? we're not going to get involved at all, none of the progressives. so if you have a republican takeover in that seat that's the way it goes. we will fight it out in the primaries. we can't roll over," to use your words, strong words i might add. we have to show that we can make a di
why was it a $6 billion election? we've got to take on the democracy issues. >> so if tee or four of the 51 docrats who could win for you next tuesday desert you, betray you, abandon you, what will you do? >> well, we only need 51, so four can go, actually, five can go because vice president biden has said he supports these things. we'll see. so you if you had 50 plus him, there you have the new rules for the next congress. >> but if you lose next tuesday you have as you've...
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the mouse and somebody who as really engineered the republican takeover of the house back in the 1994 elections, speak to what you advise republicans to do in dealing with the president? because he's going to come out saying it's all the republicans fault they won't work with me. >> first of all shall every republican should take the two quotes you've given them tonight. post them on their website, every single house and senate republican and say i am very impressed with this earlier vision of barack obama. i think that he had it right. it's unpatriotic, it's immoral, it is wrong and therefore, i'm going to do my part and my role to make sure that we fix it. now, i would love to see every house republican go to the house right at the center of the capitol, in the rotunda, is a copy of the mag na carta, 1215, almost 800, 900 years ago, in 1215, the nobles said to the king, you cannot spend money that we don't approve raising and the king was in a weak position and said, yes. and all of the legislative branch rose out of that historic moment and the legislature has every right to say we're not go
the mouse and somebody who as really engineered the republican takeover of the house back in the 1994 elections, speak to what you advise republicans to do in dealing with the president? because he's going to come out saying it's all the republicans fault they won't work with me. >> first of all shall every republican should take the two quotes you've given them tonight. post them on their website, every single house and senate republican and say i am very impressed with this earlier...
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the tomb of frederick douglas three days after the election. this is a world spinning away from the gravity of centuries where the grave of a fugitive slave has become an altar. this is the tomb of a man born as chattel who taught himself to read in secret, scraping the letters in his name with chalk on wood. now, on the anvil flat stone, a campaign button fills the o in douglas. the button says obama. this is the tomb of a man in chains who left his fingerprints on the slave breaker's throat so the whip would never carve his back again. now, a labor union t-shirt drapes itself across the stone offered up by a nurse, a janitor, a bus driver,. a sticker on the sleeve says, i voted today. this is the tomb of a man who rolled his call to arms off the press, peering through spectacles of the abolitionist headline. now a newspaper spreads above his dates of birth and death. the headline says, obama wins. this is the stillness at the heart of the storm that began in the body of the first slave dragged aboard the first ship to america. yellow leaves d
the tomb of frederick douglas three days after the election. this is a world spinning away from the gravity of centuries where the grave of a fugitive slave has become an altar. this is the tomb of a man born as chattel who taught himself to read in secret, scraping the letters in his name with chalk on wood. now, on the anvil flat stone, a campaign button fills the o in douglas. the button says obama. this is the tomb of a man in chains who left his fingerprints on the slave breaker's throat...
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we need to put aside the elections, heal the wounds of the election. so, in the election, jefferson says we are all federalists, we are all republicans, basically, we are all americans, coming together and we are going to work together. this is the hope that every president has is -- in his inaugural address, and that is one of the main reasons for having this great ceremony each time, to put a cap on the end of the election and to ring the nation back together again for the next president term. -- president's term. now, you have the government in washington, and they have established precedent. by the time james madison is inaugurated, the house chamber is completed. i do not know if you have been to statutory ball, james madison was inaugurated there, both terms as president. james monroe would have been inaugurated in the old statuary hall, the old house of representatives at the time, except that the british had burnt the building down in 1814. we were at war with great britain, and british troops came down maryland avenue, burned down the capital,
we need to put aside the elections, heal the wounds of the election. so, in the election, jefferson says we are all federalists, we are all republicans, basically, we are all americans, coming together and we are going to work together. this is the hope that every president has is -- in his inaugural address, and that is one of the main reasons for having this great ceremony each time, to put a cap on the end of the election and to ring the nation back together again for the next president...
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nolan was first elected to congress in 1974. re-elected twice before leaving in 1981. look at it this way. the last time nolan cast a vote gas cost a buck 25. walter cronkite was still on the air. ronald reagan was yet to be sworn in and people still made mixed tapes. little did we know, did he know that 31 years later he'd be fighting with the tea party republican over his time in washington. >> remember the '70s? disco was king and rick nolan was in congress raising his own pay while attacking medicare. >> with four terms of seniority i'm able to hit the ground running and be in a position to really step up and make a difference. >> voters agreed and nolan coasted to a victory thanks in part fora late october visit by former president clinton. he isn't the same man. the 69-year-old democrat spent years promoting export and trade in minnesota, was ceo of the minnesota world trade center corporation. he's been married for nearly 30 years, raised four kids, and has ten grand kids. he's even done his share of globe trotting. at one point living in the middle east for fou
nolan was first elected to congress in 1974. re-elected twice before leaving in 1981. look at it this way. the last time nolan cast a vote gas cost a buck 25. walter cronkite was still on the air. ronald reagan was yet to be sworn in and people still made mixed tapes. little did we know, did he know that 31 years later he'd be fighting with the tea party republican over his time in washington. >> remember the '70s? disco was king and rick nolan was in congress raising his own pay while...
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that's what they got elected for, the most expensive elections ever. if not now, when? >> when you've got a party with a 26% approval rating, you have a senate that was retained by, no question, the democrats, and you have a landslide victory both in the electoral college and the popular vote of the president, how much more evidence do the democrats need? give me a number of how many filibusters you would actually put up with before you go with the talking filibuster? larry cohen, keep up the great work. you're doing it right. there's no doubt about it. we've got to get this done. >>> coming up, the best tweet ever. dead spin really lets donald trump have it. you won't want to miss the story. stay with us. we're right back. >>> still to come, lance armstrong comes clean about his use of performance-enhancing drugs. some in the sports world say it's just not enough. we'll have the details ahead. >>> the story of mani te'o has captivated a lot of people, praising the website dead spin. congratulations to tom scocca and timothy burke of dead spin for exposing the manti te'
that's what they got elected for, the most expensive elections ever. if not now, when? >> when you've got a party with a 26% approval rating, you have a senate that was retained by, no question, the democrats, and you have a landslide victory both in the electoral college and the popular vote of the president, how much more evidence do the democrats need? give me a number of how many filibusters you would actually put up with before you go with the talking filibuster? larry cohen, keep up...
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con crueltylations on your election to congress. we look forward to see you in studio. >> my pleasure. tammy duckworth, now in the united states congress. great. she is tremendous. i love her. >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. gun control debate, this could be the most polarizing issue. >> anybody could claim "stand your ground" and they can get away with murder. >> only on current tv. [ male announcer ] the exclusive air suspension in the 2013 ram 1500. ♪ ♪ engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ ♪ guts. glory. ram. the new ram 1500. motor trend's 2013 truck of the year. (vo) current tv gets the converstion started next. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. [ music ] >> this is "the bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> hey, hey. twelve minutes now before the top of the hour here on the full court press. carl fritsche is in studio with us as a friend o
con crueltylations on your election to congress. we look forward to see you in studio. >> my pleasure. tammy duckworth, now in the united states congress. great. she is tremendous. i love her. >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. gun control debate, this could be the most polarizing issue. >> anybody could claim "stand your ground" and they can get away with murder. >> only on current tv. [ male announcer ] the...
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time to elect the senator who will protect our rights. >> some analysts believe the nra's power is waning as the number of house holds with guns has declined. barack obama was still reelected and many nra backed candidates did not win. but by all accounts the nra remains a well connected strong and shrewd political power that says it is currently gaining members and it is clearly stealing itself to match anything the white house throws its way. >> the nra is also influential among democrats. one of them happens to be harry reid. you know the man who the president would be reliant upon to get something significant through the senate -- >> 1994 and 2004 he has a b rating from the nra. that is higher than almost anyone. this amazing fact. he has received more money from the nra than any senate democrat. when it comes to harry reid and the nra it is a close relationship. >> kind of a love affair. he appeared with wayne lappier in 2010. he is a guy who says i am going to go with my party. so will he really oppose the president on gun issues? >> he is going to try to quarterback what he can. at
time to elect the senator who will protect our rights. >> some analysts believe the nra's power is waning as the number of house holds with guns has declined. barack obama was still reelected and many nra backed candidates did not win. but by all accounts the nra remains a well connected strong and shrewd political power that says it is currently gaining members and it is clearly stealing itself to match anything the white house throws its way. >> the nra is also influential among...
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we've seen how fractious it can be just after this unfortunate election. there was a wide agreement. libertarians, purists, pragmatists and bill rusher really knew what he was doing. one of his great achievements was to give movement conservatives from, i would say, the early 1960s right up until the 1990s by which time he had semi-retired more confidence than i think they otherwise would have had, that there really was a conservative movement and that it really was moving. if imperfectly. we've seen in recent years a lot of doubts about whether the conservative movement still exists anymore. some people even doubt whether it deserves to exist anymore, whether it's destroyed itself. where there have been people all along who have said things like that. one of the thing rusher stood for most prominently and enduringly was the belief that we conservatives all had to pull together and all had to be together and keep being together. you know, the most obvious cliche that comes to mind, and he would have put it more articulately and more memorably is to not let
we've seen how fractious it can be just after this unfortunate election. there was a wide agreement. libertarians, purists, pragmatists and bill rusher really knew what he was doing. one of his great achievements was to give movement conservatives from, i would say, the early 1960s right up until the 1990s by which time he had semi-retired more confidence than i think they otherwise would have had, that there really was a conservative movement and that it really was moving. if imperfectly....